Good Morning, dear teachers and everyone! :)

What is the clear OR unequivocal difference between CONVERSATIONAL proficiency and FLUENT proficiency? Is there any?

I have googled, but I haven't got the proper answer, yet. Should we take a test to classify our language skill?

I read somewhere that conversational one requires only 3000 words. While fluent one is able speak the language near perfectly (almost like a native), but may require more concentration to communicate thoughts, idioms, and slang; advanced reading and writing skills. Native-level fluency is about 20.000-40.000 words.

When it is related to job, I got a bit confused. What is the great difference between conversational and fluent? This is for any language.

Common Linguistic Proficiency Classification for career

  1. Basic (can write a language decently)
  2. Conversational (can write and speak a language well)
  3. Fluent (can write and speak a language almost perfectly)
  4. Native Speaker/Bilingual (can write and speak a language perfectly, including colloquialisms)

I wonder why there is no level between conversational and fluent. :)))

Everyone is welcomed to join, share info, or even share the same question... ^^

Thank you in advance.

Have a wonderful weekend! ^_^

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    Thanks for sharing this important  information  with us dear Onee   . I think that all learners and teachers  of English  should  think about their levels in English  and try their best to improve themselves  to reach higher levels and move on forward in knowledge   . However  ,  I can classify  my self  in the conversational  level  . I hope to be fluent  but this need hard work  and more diligence 

Dear Rosemary,

Many thanks for joining the discussion. I have edited almost the entire content of this discussion to give more info, lol. You can read again anytime, please.

Yes, it is important to know our language skill. And after editing this, I can estimate my English language proficiency though not really sure. ^^

Sister, I know you know more vocabulary than I do, and it is for sure far more than 3000, right? ^^

Thank you once again for sharing about yourself. ^_^

     Hi Onee  , 

Thanks for the valuable editing  of the discussion  . However  , I don't think that I know more vocabularies  than yours  . I have many mistakes in grammar and in using  words at their right context  . I wish to attend an  exam to determine  my level in English   . Learning  a language  is a long journey  that demands  a lot of diligence  :) 

Dear Rosemary,

Vocabulary and grammar are quite different skills, but maybe there's somehow a little relevance between them. I myself tried to memorize more and more vocabulary by reading, but I'm such a forgetful person. :)))

Yup, I need it, too. By the way, have you ever heard about a free TOEFL test software? It's free. I have ever tried it once, but my laptop doesn't support well. Maybe I will share it later.

You're right. Nothing instant in leaning language. We should enjoy it. ^_^

Thanks a lot for your reply. Have a wonderful day! ^_^

This is the answer from Mr. Josef,

"Conversational sounds like a polite way of say not fluent.

Fluent is fluent in all four skills: listening, speaking, reading, writing"

Well............I probably have a bit problem with speaking. I need to practice speaking more.

Thank you so much, Teacher Joe. ^^

Ohh this is really upper my level so I cant throw a stone here :) I hope someone to give us more details  regarding this significant question.

Thanks for sharing Onee

Hello Ocean,

This is for any language. So, you are a Native Speaker in your language, and so am I. :)

Yup, we need to know how we can classify so that we don't mistakenly give information about our language skill.

Thanks a lot for your visit. Good day! :)

what did they mean by  they can write perfectly? 

Hello Youssef,

It's great to see you on my post. ^^

You ask them? How can I answer? *kidding ))

can write perfectly..... I think they mean they can communicate or remember the words about everything without any obstacles. Grammar could be different topic.

So many thanks for your reply. Good day! :)

I'm not sure where you're getting these standards from. There is no universal system of standards. There are many, and they don't all agree. You can see some info on "standards" below:

https://www.englishclub.com/esl-exams/levels-cef.htm

https://www.englishclub.com/esl-exams/levels-alte.htm

https://www.englishclub.com/esl-exams/levels-cef-alignment.htm
updated 2010. May need updating again, not sure ;)

Hope this helps.

Berbicara dengan sopan, mod. Onee. Speaking politely may raise you to the highest levels of fluency. Thanks for sharing. 

Hi Onee-Chan: Interesting topic, I knew about this classification but I did not know the specifications. I lived in USA for many years, I went to school, I learned English because I needed to survive in that country. I wouldn't know how many words are in my vocabulary, I consider myself as fluent, but now, I don't think so, according to your information.

I'm just so happy that I can communicate in English with people arround the world, like you guys, in this English Club.

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