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Before you run away after reading this discussion I'd ask you to make an effort and try to answer anything politely. Yes I know it's summertime and this is a thick topic but It's not bad idea to make this section a bit more active :D

I think corruption exists everywhere but for better or for worse politicians are needed not to have an anarchy so it's our responsibility to choose the way we believe it's better our country to be ruled.

So what kind of policy do you think it's better nowadays for the place you live, a capitalist Conservative policy, a progressive reformist party, perhaps an alternation for a healthy policy, maybe a dictatorship, or simply it's not your business?

Any ideology here is wellcome supporting your reasons :)

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What a serious topic we have here! Hmm, let me think about it. My cardinal principle will always go for the benefit of elderly, children, and women. So, basically, any policy concerning their welfare has my approval. But if I can have the luxury to decide that nobody contradicts me, I would prefer to have a nationwide moral regeneration, and that would mean a nation believing in good values and performing it by the heart. It will sound dictatorship but I will compel them to read the Bible once every day so they can look back to where it all started, to whom it all came from.

Why don't make a thorough study/research for past 2000 years to look out the most suitable way of rulers who when they ruled the mass of the people prospered and progressed.  When found try that policy.

Somehow that's the main principle of all parties in general; the wellfare of their citizens, what differs from each other is the way to get it. As for your second option, well I've mever liked mixing up policy and religion but I know your moral and I'm sure you'd be a great ruler of such country :)
In any case you're right this is a too serious topic for this time. Thanks dear Risty for dropping by. God bless.

Risty said:

What a serious topic we have here! Hmm, let me think about it. My cardinal principle will always go for the benefit of elderly, children, and women. So, basically, any policy concerning their welfare has my approval. But if I can have the luxury to decide that nobody contradicts me, I would prefer to have a nationwide moral regeneration, and that would mean a nation believing in good values and performing it by the heart. It will sound dictatorship but I will compel them to read the Bible once every day so they can look back to where it all started, to whom it all came from.

I just asked for a personal opinion in the actual time Mishaikh but trying to respond to your comment I'd say that in general terms there is a relationship between the wellfare state of the citizens and the time their countries raised a democracy.

Thank you Mishaikh for comenting :)

Mishaikh said:

Why don't make a thorough study/research for past 2000 years to look out the most suitable way of rulers who when they ruled the mass of the people prospered and progressed.  When found try that policy.

I really don't know what the best policy is for everyone. Humans have various
expectations for life ... and to make equal everything and everyone...  will be impossible because we have to consider the different development status of all countries. Maybe you will say that wasn't your question and you are right, I just wanted to mention this fact.


I am one of the members here who had lived in two very different social orders with of course different policy. I experinced the Socialism/communism and now I experience the capitalism.


Socialism or even communism is said (maybe) too much because everything what was called and what we still call socialism or communism has nothing to do with the theory of this. So they always named it "the real existing socialism/communism".


The idea and the theory of socialism/communism was not that bad ... but no one single state what claims being socialistic/communistic, is it at all.... even not only a little bit. They should study the theories of Marx and Engels to recognize that it has nothing to do with that what exist in their countries.  


And what is with capitalism? Capitalism created dependence on property ... created poverty and wealth.


As for me, I don't prefer neither the "real existing socialism/communism" nor the capitalism and also I don't want to live in a Monarchy, dictatorship or a religious state. I am afraid it will be only a dream for ever, to create a social order with a fair policy for everyone.The dream of creating a human social  order will stay a dream for ever ... even if the majority of humans want it. There are opponents ... mostly rulers of policy or religions ... but also economic interests of industry or military are against a fair policy.

"Liberty, equality, fraternity" was already the motto of the French Revolution ( 1989 until 1999) This motto should be the basic idea of every social order.  We should add also:  HUMANITY because this word contains everything we need for a living together in dignity and justice in this world.

Hats off! I can see much experience in these words.

Regarding your first paragraph it's perfectly suitable for this discussion since policy, behaviour and society has much to do with development. You mentioned the case of your country, I've always wondered how after 1945 and due to the situation of Germany then, in few years they became the first economy in Europe again. Regardless of external aids I believe it is closely related to a social behaviour or desire for self improvement with appropriate policies, what I call a political sense with respect.
I frankly believe Merkel is doing a good job and shows tolerance (it could be seen last week) but not only her but also,previous presidents regardless their party.

I totally agree with your reply Rose. Thanks for sharing with us.

Rose said:

I really don't know what the best policy is for everyone. Humans have various
expectations for life ... and to make equal everything and everyone...  will be impossible because we have to consider the different development status of all countries. Maybe you will say that wasn't your question and you are right, I just wanted to mention this fact.


I am one of the members here who had lived in two very different social orders with of course different policy. I experinced the Socialism/communism and now I experience the capitalism.


Socialism or even communism is said (maybe) too much because everything what was called and what we still call socialism or communism has nothing to do with the theory of this. So they always named it "the real existing socialism/communism".


The idea and the theory of socialism/communism was not that bad ... but no one single state what claims being socialistic/communistic, is it at all.... even not only a little bit. They should study the theories of Marx and Engels to recognize that it has nothing to do with that what exist in their countries.  


And what is with capitalism? Capitalism created dependence on property ... created poverty and wealth.


As for me, I don't prefer neither the "real existing socialism/communism" nor the capitalism and also I don't want to live in a Monarchy, dictatorship or a religious state. I am afraid it will be only a dream for ever, to create a social order with a fair policy for everyone.The dream of creating a human social  order will stay a dream for ever ... even if the majority of humans want it. There are opponents ... mostly rulers of policy or religions ... but also economic interests of industry or military are against a fair policy.

"Liberty, equality, fraternity" was already the motto of the French Revolution ( 1989 until 1999) This motto should be the basic idea of every social order.  We should add also:  HUMANITY because this word contains everything we need for a living together in dignity and justice in this world.

How can I forget how the Vatican used/uses religion to intervene, and Islam is a political statement as well.

Just saying, but true. :)

Estanis said:

Somehow that's the main principle of all parties in general; the wellfare of their citizens, what differs from each other is the way to get it. As for your second option, well I've mever liked mixing up policy and religion but I know your moral and I'm sure you'd be a great ruler of such country :)
In any case you're right this is a too serious topic for this time. Thanks dear Risty for dropping by. God bless.


Estaaa, tried to give me another headache?? :/

Brain is thinking..... 

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Monarchy or Democracy..... both have been somehow controlled over by people with lots of treasure trove. ;))

don't make me wrong, I meant the way religion is used as a sort of dictatorship.
Here some 'ultra cool' 'super modernists' 'fashionable progressive' parties, associations... try to get rid of crucifixes from schools or any official place (perhaps even burn them if they could) You see? I just mean I don't like extremists

Risty said:

How can I forget how the Vatican used/uses religion to intervene, and Islam is a political statement as well.

Just saying, but true. :)

Estanis said:

That's it Anxa. I think we all should involve fairly. I don't understand people who constantly complain about their politicians and never take part in it or vote.
Btw so glad to have another neighbor here :D

Anxa said:

Very interesting topic Estanis. Democracy is the best system but corruption is a cancer that gently grows everywhere and in most countries. We are all into politics even if we are not aware of that because the country policy affects every individual directly. Thank you Estanis for triggering deep thinking ♥

Yep Onee, I like how members react to some situations. Consider it as a social experiment ;D

Btw, we have both.

Onee-chan said:

Estaaa, tried to give me another headache?? :/

Brain is thinking..... 

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Monarchy or Democracy..... both have been somehow controlled over by people with lots of treasure trove. ;))

I prefer democracy where the governments and President are decided by voting. It's from us and to us. But to be honest, the democracy sometimes spotted by the cheaters to win their behalf. 

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